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		By: Sunday Wash-Up, 20th September &#171; Shack&#039;s Comings and Goings		</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] “What’s Your Favorite Type of Pain?” by. Jason A. Myers Plotter or Pantser? What pains do the differing styles bring? Jason gives you his view. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jason Myers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Myers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow! Thanks for all the great feedback, everyone. I have also taken the Bob route and really dug deeply into the characters. I literally have pages of information on each one, and a photo of what I think they look like, and the key point in their lives that made them what they are today, and their blind spots, and many, many other things. I did it so long and so much that I know feel like I know these fools! As if they were real people. And then...I take these fun little people and I place them into the world and plot I created and say, &quot;Get out of this fix!&quot; Ha! Those poor bastards don&#039;t even stand a chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Thanks for all the great feedback, everyone. I have also taken the Bob route and really dug deeply into the characters. I literally have pages of information on each one, and a photo of what I think they look like, and the key point in their lives that made them what they are today, and their blind spots, and many, many other things. I did it so long and so much that I know feel like I know these fools! As if they were real people. And then&#8230;I take these fun little people and I place them into the world and plot I created and say, &#8220;Get out of this fix!&#8221; Ha! Those poor bastards don&#8217;t even stand a chance.</p>
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		By: Jenni Holbrook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenni Holbrook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the idea of writing a character driven synopsis first.  Great tip, Bob! Thanks.

I&#039;ve always been a front loader when it comes to work and well, anything I do.  I like to be neat an organized to the point it is probably slightly obbessive.  I&#039;m real good at coming up with great story ideas.  But idea isn&#039;t story.  I&#039;ve also been known to write great antagonists, but somewhere in the process I tend to neglect my protagonist and this is bad.  So bad that it is &quot;painful&quot;.  This is what I am working on right now.  Focusing on my protagonist.  Starting with her, who she is, what she wants.  This is real hard for me.  I rely too heavily on my antagonist to the point he takes over the story and usually these guys (or gals) are not very likable which leaves me with a book that is well, a little on the dark and twisted side.  Not that is necessarily bad, except I&#039;ve forgotten a very important element -- the payoff to the reader.

I am currently bleeding out on the page.  It hurts, but it&#039;s good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of writing a character driven synopsis first.  Great tip, Bob! Thanks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been a front loader when it comes to work and well, anything I do.  I like to be neat an organized to the point it is probably slightly obbessive.  I&#8217;m real good at coming up with great story ideas.  But idea isn&#8217;t story.  I&#8217;ve also been known to write great antagonists, but somewhere in the process I tend to neglect my protagonist and this is bad.  So bad that it is &#8220;painful&#8221;.  This is what I am working on right now.  Focusing on my protagonist.  Starting with her, who she is, what she wants.  This is real hard for me.  I rely too heavily on my antagonist to the point he takes over the story and usually these guys (or gals) are not very likable which leaves me with a book that is well, a little on the dark and twisted side.  Not that is necessarily bad, except I&#8217;ve forgotten a very important element &#8212; the payoff to the reader.</p>
<p>I am currently bleeding out on the page.  It hurts, but it&#8217;s good.</p>
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		By: Ann Marie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some wag said the real difference between plotters and pantsers is what document you call the first draft.

I realize I&#039;m frontloading my weak area as well, although flipped issues: I don&#039;t have much trouble seeing my characters and getting them on the page, but for the plot I get out the tables and charts and make sure I have something concrete rather than vague notions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some wag said the real difference between plotters and pantsers is what document you call the first draft.</p>
<p>I realize I&#8217;m frontloading my weak area as well, although flipped issues: I don&#8217;t have much trouble seeing my characters and getting them on the page, but for the plot I get out the tables and charts and make sure I have something concrete rather than vague notions.</p>
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		By: Anasazi Stories by Jeff Posey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anasazi Stories by Jeff Posey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess I like having a sharp pain every day. I get up every morning at 5:00 and sit there imagining the next scene as carefully as I can, then I write until the wife says, &quot;It&#039;s time to go to work!&quot; (She never says it with as much chipper excitement as the exclamation point implies.) That&#039;s worked well in my forty years of short-story writing, but now that I&#039;m working through a novel (and in the wake of the same Warrior Writer class that Jason took), I&#039;m feeling the pain of the pants. As Bob says, a novel is too complex for anyone to hold entirely in their head, except for a few people who should be penalized for their unfair genius.

In my A.B. world (After Bob), I&#039;ve taken some muddled, but fun, steps toward plotting and character development. I write short scenes of interviews with my characters or scenes from parts of their lives outside of my novel&#039;s storyline, yet that are relevant to it. (These often become postings for my blog.) And I have 4x6 cards with character descriptions that I admit are very handy. And I&#039;ve taken a few pathetic stabs at storyboarding.

But in my heart, I guess I&#039;m a pantser. Little is more fun than coming up with a character, putting them in a difficult spot, and just hanging on for the ride -- yeehaw! So what if that doesn&#039;t make me a bestseller? At least from 5:00 to 8:00 every morning I&#039;m in my happy place, even if there are stabbing pains shooting up from my pants. The true test will come with manuscript number two. Will I pants? Or will I plot? Sigh ... I may need another Bob session.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I like having a sharp pain every day. I get up every morning at 5:00 and sit there imagining the next scene as carefully as I can, then I write until the wife says, &#8220;It&#8217;s time to go to work!&#8221; (She never says it with as much chipper excitement as the exclamation point implies.) That&#8217;s worked well in my forty years of short-story writing, but now that I&#8217;m working through a novel (and in the wake of the same Warrior Writer class that Jason took), I&#8217;m feeling the pain of the pants. As Bob says, a novel is too complex for anyone to hold entirely in their head, except for a few people who should be penalized for their unfair genius.</p>
<p>In my A.B. world (After Bob), I&#8217;ve taken some muddled, but fun, steps toward plotting and character development. I write short scenes of interviews with my characters or scenes from parts of their lives outside of my novel&#8217;s storyline, yet that are relevant to it. (These often become postings for my blog.) And I have 4&#215;6 cards with character descriptions that I admit are very handy. And I&#8217;ve taken a few pathetic stabs at storyboarding.</p>
<p>But in my heart, I guess I&#8217;m a pantser. Little is more fun than coming up with a character, putting them in a difficult spot, and just hanging on for the ride &#8212; yeehaw! So what if that doesn&#8217;t make me a bestseller? At least from 5:00 to 8:00 every morning I&#8217;m in my happy place, even if there are stabbing pains shooting up from my pants. The true test will come with manuscript number two. Will I pants? Or will I plot? Sigh &#8230; I may need another Bob session.</p>
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		By: mizwrite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Jason (and Kristen!) -- Nice to see you here! Good post. I seem to enjoy &quot;pantsing&quot; for the unpredictability and fun it brings (and yeah, the &quot;surprise of the characters&quot; and blah, blah, blah). But I do stop and suddenly start plotting when I get stuck, just as you mentioned. Strangely, in all three of the manuscripts I&#039;ve written out, this happens in the EXACT same places! Weird. Chapters 13 and 18, without fail. Must be the &quot;lull&quot; in each story for me. What I do then is make lists (What are each character&#039;s goals now? What are their obstacles? What do they need to learn? etc.) and that usually sparks something important that carries me forward for several more chapters.

But I took a class recently with Judy Duarte, and she showed us how to write a character-driven synopsis first, and then create the story from that -- which is basically plotting but with a heavy emphasis on character development. I thought the whole concept was brilliant and am excited to try it. So I may end up becoming a plotter after all. : )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jason (and Kristen!) &#8212; Nice to see you here! Good post. I seem to enjoy &#8220;pantsing&#8221; for the unpredictability and fun it brings (and yeah, the &#8220;surprise of the characters&#8221; and blah, blah, blah). But I do stop and suddenly start plotting when I get stuck, just as you mentioned. Strangely, in all three of the manuscripts I&#8217;ve written out, this happens in the EXACT same places! Weird. Chapters 13 and 18, without fail. Must be the &#8220;lull&#8221; in each story for me. What I do then is make lists (What are each character&#8217;s goals now? What are their obstacles? What do they need to learn? etc.) and that usually sparks something important that carries me forward for several more chapters.</p>
<p>But I took a class recently with Judy Duarte, and she showed us how to write a character-driven synopsis first, and then create the story from that &#8212; which is basically plotting but with a heavy emphasis on character development. I thought the whole concept was brilliant and am excited to try it. So I may end up becoming a plotter after all. : )</p>
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		By: Bob Mayer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Mayer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just figured something else about front-loading the work.  Front-load the part of writing you&#039;re weakest at.  For example, my weakest area has always been characters.  I can do plot blind-folded.  But I used to outline my books using plot, which is relatively normal.  But for my new WIP, I&#039;m outlining CHARACTERS first, not worried about plot.  Part of that also has to do with a change in genre, but I changed genre in order to be able to focus on the weakest part of my writing-- because that weak part is the most important part of a book.  Characters are key.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just figured something else about front-loading the work.  Front-load the part of writing you&#8217;re weakest at.  For example, my weakest area has always been characters.  I can do plot blind-folded.  But I used to outline my books using plot, which is relatively normal.  But for my new WIP, I&#8217;m outlining CHARACTERS first, not worried about plot.  Part of that also has to do with a change in genre, but I changed genre in order to be able to focus on the weakest part of my writing&#8211; because that weak part is the most important part of a book.  Characters are key.</p>
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		By: Jamie D. (@Variety Pages)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie D. (@Variety Pages)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post, Jason...thanks for featuring him, Kristin! :-)

I guess you could call me the ultimate masochist then - I do both. I don&#039;t really &quot;outline&quot;, but I use Holly Lisle&#039;s method for coming up with a plot and developing many of the story&#039;s scenes before I start writing. I know a lot about my characters, what they want/need, what they&#039;ll do to get it, and many of the situations they&#039;ll find themselves facing throughout the story. If I start running out of scenes while I&#039;m writing, I&#039;ll plan more out, three or four at a time.

But I don&#039;t plan all of the scenes. And I don&#039;t completely plan how my characters will move through a specific scene either - which still results in occasional corners to get out of and plot revisions as I&#039;m writing because my characters made a decision that was unexpected. I never know the end before I start writing - I know vaguely how I think I might want it to end, but never exactly how things will wrap up. I like it that way - I like leaving myself things to figure out during the process of writing, and leaving the end open to whatever curves the story takes to that point.

I guess I choose the infliction of a sharp, painful injury that creates a wound to fester for the duration of the draft, sometimes feeling better, sometimes throbbing and making me miserable, but ultimately healing in the end. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Jason&#8230;thanks for featuring him, Kristin! 🙂</p>
<p>I guess you could call me the ultimate masochist then &#8211; I do both. I don&#8217;t really &#8220;outline&#8221;, but I use Holly Lisle&#8217;s method for coming up with a plot and developing many of the story&#8217;s scenes before I start writing. I know a lot about my characters, what they want/need, what they&#8217;ll do to get it, and many of the situations they&#8217;ll find themselves facing throughout the story. If I start running out of scenes while I&#8217;m writing, I&#8217;ll plan more out, three or four at a time.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t plan all of the scenes. And I don&#8217;t completely plan how my characters will move through a specific scene either &#8211; which still results in occasional corners to get out of and plot revisions as I&#8217;m writing because my characters made a decision that was unexpected. I never know the end before I start writing &#8211; I know vaguely how I think I might want it to end, but never exactly how things will wrap up. I like it that way &#8211; I like leaving myself things to figure out during the process of writing, and leaving the end open to whatever curves the story takes to that point.</p>
<p>I guess I choose the infliction of a sharp, painful injury that creates a wound to fester for the duration of the draft, sometimes feeling better, sometimes throbbing and making me miserable, but ultimately healing in the end. 🙂</p>
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		By: Kay Dew Shostak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kay Dew Shostak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks - so needed this this morning. I&#039;m very much a pantser when writing, but in all other areas of my life I&#039;m a plotter. Your post made me think about how much I enjoy plotting things in my life. Matter of fact, I&#039;ve often said the planning of an event is almost as much fun as the event itself. So I think a little more plotting is called for in my current work.
Besides - I&#039;m stuck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211; so needed this this morning. I&#8217;m very much a pantser when writing, but in all other areas of my life I&#8217;m a plotter. Your post made me think about how much I enjoy plotting things in my life. Matter of fact, I&#8217;ve often said the planning of an event is almost as much fun as the event itself. So I think a little more plotting is called for in my current work.<br />
Besides &#8211; I&#8217;m stuck.</p>
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		By: Jamie Harrington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Harrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I admit that I am a total pantsyplotter.

I just write the first five or six pages...and if the character is getting interesting to me, then I work out what&#039;sabout to happen in the rest of the story, but if the character is boring--then no big cheese.

I think some of my best ideas come from the pants though. (You can quote that, I respect your need to do so.) I think it&#039;s important to see where the story is going to take us, and not be married to the plot we came up with in the baby stages of the novel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that I am a total pantsyplotter.</p>
<p>I just write the first five or six pages&#8230;and if the character is getting interesting to me, then I work out what&#8217;sabout to happen in the rest of the story, but if the character is boring&#8211;then no big cheese.</p>
<p>I think some of my best ideas come from the pants though. (You can quote that, I respect your need to do so.) I think it&#8217;s important to see where the story is going to take us, and not be married to the plot we came up with in the baby stages of the novel.</p>
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